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Amazon Kindle delayed until end 2007?
#21  THJahar 11-01-2007, 07:14 PM
wow. Just finished that post, it_was_very_long (those underscore thing are great, they do actually make you stress the words in your head)

I gather what you are trying to say, but i think you completely overlooked the role of sites such as mobileread.

My definition of this site is thus:

a) Niche site for a specific technology segment
b) Forum for discussing/speculating on said technology
c) defining and advancing usage of said technology (developers resource)

Now with that definition in place for myself, I would immediately understand that the core readership are what marketeers call 'early adopters'.
This is borne out by the large number of the contributers here, buying pre-production devices (iliad, and my own v2 are an example)
Now the thing with early adopters is that we will speculate about developments within our niche.
Hence i come here with the_expectation_of speculation from limited facts.
And it should come as no suprise_to_any_of_us that since the medium that is utilised for disseminating information is a vast array of interconnected computers (www), that the information/speculation is repeated and transmitted. Therefore it's designed to be an echo chamber!
Oh and as for the damage done, did i mention that we're predominately early adopters in a niche segement? So once again despite how mad we get about missed deadlines for launches (whether real or imaginary (Iliad *cough*)) we don't care..we'll buy the bloody things anyway.

Well i hope i refuted your points (your post was a little long so i might have missed some) by pointing out that speculation is great especially when it's placed in a site where we want it.
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#22  bowerbird 11-01-2007, 07:23 PM
natch said:
> Your points are being lost in the heat of your rhetoric.

there's no "heat" in my "rhetoric". i'm cool as a cucumber.

goodness gracious, i've been reading about the kindle for
_over_a_year_ now, here on mobileread, and on teleread,
and all over the place. i'm bored _silly_ with it by now...

and it hasn't even been officially _announced_ yet!

if i _did_ have passion for it (did you see its picture?),
that ejaculation was premature a _very_ long time ago.

there's absolutely no heat there, not for me anyway, so
even when amazon _does_ get around to announcing it,
and selling it a few months after that, i won't be able to
work up any desire for it, let alone waiting for upgrades
to where i'll believe it's a worthy machine _years_ later,
and moving enough units to drop the price to something
i consider to be "reasonable" a few years after _that_...

again, there's more than enough _reality_ here right now.

so why constantly distract people with a "next month" that
won't _actually_ arrive for another 6 months, or in 2 years?
if then?

-bowerbird
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#23  bowerbird 11-01-2007, 07:28 PM
thjahar, you make some good points, at least about this hub of the echo-chamber.

i didn't stand in line for my iphone, but i did pay $600 for it... so, um, i know...

and tadw, thanks for the humor injection. sometimes i wish i could be funny... ;+)

-bowerbird
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#24  NatCh 11-01-2007, 07:40 PM
Quote bowerbird
natch said:
> Your points are being lost in the heat of your rhetoric.

there's no "heat" in my "rhetoric". i'm cool as a cucumber.
I'm very glad to hear it! Please let a bit more of that coolness show in your word choices and phrasings and then it'll become apparent to the rest of us.

Quote bowerbird
so why constantly distract people with a "next month" that won't _actually_ arrive for another 6 months, or in 2 years?
if then?
That's an excellent question. I guess, for me, the answer is much what THJahar pointed out: one of the main points of MobileRead is to watch for trends and try to guess what's going to come of them, so it's not really a distraction, so much as it is kinda the point.

I don't need a new prediction every month to keep my interest up, but it's the nature of the beast. Whaddayagonnado? Personally my interest in the Kindle is more clinical: what will its features be? How will it handle DRM? What is that WhisperNet thing, anyway? Will it be less Fugly when they finally do launch it than it was in the FCC dox? image »

We do our best to specify what we know to be fact as fact, and clearly indicate rumors as being rumors. If I had a karma point for every time I've reminded someone that something was only a rumor, my karma would probably be higher than Alexander's is! I don't think anyone has ever suggested that we were dealing only in verified facts -- it's a discussion forum, after all, the whole point of such locales is to discuss, explore, speculate and express opinions; to solve the world's problems, if you will. We have a Wiki for the verified stuff.
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#25  NatCh 11-01-2007, 07:42 PM
Quote bowerbird
.. thanks for the humor injection. sometimes i wish i could be funny....
Clearly, you can be.
Quote bowerbird
if i _did_ have passion for it (did you see its picture?), that ejaculation was premature a _very_ long time ago.
I found that comment very funny.
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#26  JSWolf 11-01-2007, 07:50 PM
Remember, if a company says that a product is due when they say so, we can either believe them or not. Like with the Cybook Gen3, I didn't believe them and I was correct. But what you take on board as possible fact is up to you.
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#27  Nate the great 11-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Quote bowerbird

nate said:
> As the chief rumor-monger, I have said nothing about Amazon
> possibly executing a FUD campaign. I have not been doing disinformation.
> I have only stated the information that I have found online,
> and some guesses I have made about that information.

to me, it shows you do not know how to evaluate the _trustworthiness_
of the information that you "have found online.

-bowerbird
You have truly stepped over the line. You should have actually _looked_ at the information I posted before attacking me.

I have posted the following information:

Two sets of results from the Google cache.
"kindle edition" site:amazon.com
whispernet site:amazon.com

An interesting fact about the second search: I know of at least one instance that I had found a whispernet reference (through Google) on Amazon _that_Amazon_removed_after_it_was_mentioned_here. The are only two ways that the search results might not be trustworthy: one, Amazon is faking them; two, Google is faking them. So, you think this is not a trustworthy source?

The results of a trademark search for "kindle" and "whispernet". I found a trademark for "kindle" that closely fit the description of the Amazon Kindle, and was owned by a corporation based out of a shopping center in Seattle. This corporation is also currently applying for a trademark for "whispernet" (I don't think they will get it). I found the trademark information on the federal gov't trademark dep'.t. website. I found the corporate registration on the State of Delaware website. So, you think these two sources are not trustworthy?

Some of the results of a search based on the customer service numbers listed in the Kindle Manual PDF. I have not finished this search yet.

The results of my investigation into the Kindle have appeared in dribs and drabs. This is because I did not take it seriously. I had hoped the Kindle would be released by now. But I have not ended the investigation, nor posted all that I have found.
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#28  bowerbird 11-01-2007, 09:25 PM
nate-

i said it before -- you actually quoted it, just now! -- but i'll say it again:
> this is not directed at anyone in particular, except for robert nagle...

i hope that -- this second time around -- that is sufficiently clear...

i also said "if the shoe fits, wear it."

if you're taking things personally, ask yourself why.

(and yes, if you're _not_ taking things personally, then
the shoe doesn't fit you, and you don't have to wear it.)

-bowerbird
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#29  Nate the great 11-01-2007, 09:34 PM
Quote bowerbird
to me, it shows you do not know how to evaluate the _trustworthiness_
of the information that you "have found online".
-bowerbird
Read this quote again. This was a personal attack against me. You directly accused me of incompetence. Gee, I wonder why I take it personally. Hmm. That will take some thought.
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#30  RWood 11-01-2007, 10:16 PM
While it is true that we do collect information from the Internet and put them in one place for people to find, we also add our own views on the issues and items that we have found. Yes, I have used the term FUD in relation to the Amazon Kindle; but, unlike many consumer electronics vendors, Amazon is a direct sales site and therefore can go from nothing to full sales effort at the flick of a switch (or rather the setting of a bit.)

Also, we are not the ones that got the piece on the Kindle in the New York Times. We may be good, I didn't think we were that good.
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