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Why no discussion of HTML as a book format?
#11  Quoth 06-19-2020, 02:09 PM
A load of videos are just lazy presentations. Unless it's something very specialised a decent text with photos works far better. Of course that takes far more time and expertise to produce. It can be consumed at your own speed and often several properly presented stills are more informative than a video. Also reading you can take in facts at your own speed better than a commentary.

Video can be good but most seem worthless.

I search with -youtube
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#12  hobnail 06-19-2020, 03:46 PM
Quote Quoth
A load of videos are just lazy presentations. Unless it's something very specialised a decent text with photos works far better. Of course that takes far more time and expertise to produce. It can be consumed at your own speed and often several properly presented stills are more informative than a video. Also reading you can take in facts at your own speed better than a commentary.

Video can be good but most seem worthless.

I search with -youtube
For a lot of how-to things I think they're very helpful. Especially for things that require showing how to manipulate things with your hands. I taught myself how to knit (years before Al Gore invented the internet) and only learned the most basic stuff. Being able to watch someone's video can be a godsend. You can do it with step by step pictures and text but a video is much more foolproof. But I agree that most of the stuff on youtube is crap that could better be presented with text and a few pictures.
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#13  pittendrigh 06-26-2020, 11:11 AM
Most books are poor quality. Some youtube videos are excellent. If you are interested in learning woodworking take a look at William Ng's work.

Video makers often feel a need to set up a background context for their work, which all too often means you have to listen to a talking head for three minutes before the real how-to-do-it action starts.

A medium that combined printed ascii text, still images, diagrams and embedded video would be vastly superior. It will happen.

I remember back in the 90s on usenet's comp.programming, when someone proposed a need for a browser ability to send messages back to the server without requiring a screen refresh (aka AJAX signaling) that person was besieged by a thousand reasons why that was a bad idea. The status quo has glue on its feet.
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#14  pdurrant 06-26-2020, 11:14 AM
Quote pittendrigh
A medium that combined printed ascii text, still images, diagrams and embedded video would be vastly superior. It will happen.
You need to add in reflowable. Otherwise PDF meets your requirements.
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#15  pittendrigh 06-26-2020, 12:01 PM
Good point. Yes. Reflowable. I hate PDF. When it's flipbooks I kill the tab and find some other way.

Ebook Requirements in the Educational Context ...of the near future

Chapters that contain one (long) or perhaps many shorter "pages"
Reflowable text
Next Page button or swipe
Prev Page button or swipe
Last Read Page button (determining that state is a subject of its own. I have my way)
Note for instance that page saving on long pages means using Javascript to track the current scroll position in the current page or file
Collapsible Table of Contents
Keyword Search mechanism

I have done all the above (not counting keyword search but that's in the works) with a server side combination of php, javascript and python.

It doesn't have to be server side. I stream video onto my phone every day of my life. For reasons I do not understand Kindle and Google Playbooks reader do not support streaming video yet. Not well enough to actually use anyway. They could but they don't. They will. It's just a matter of time.

The current covid-related wave of interest in online learning will require it. Sooner rather than later. In the mean time--because I need it now and use it on my own website--I do it with my own hotrod dynamic HTML.

Video on your phone, inside epub3, is coming at you. I see that locomotive at the end of the tunnel. Coming at us fastly.
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#16  Deskisamess 06-26-2020, 12:11 PM
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I stream video onto my phone every day of my life. For reasons I do not understand Kindle and Google Playbooks reader do NOT support streaming video yet.
A Kindle e-reader is an e-ink device, Greyscale, and not capable of supporting video. They aren't tablet devices. A backlit LCD tablet and an e-ink reader are two completely different technologies.

A user who needs or wants video needs to use the proper tool...a smart phone, tablet, or computer. Wanting an e-ink device to support video shows a lack of understanding of the 2 different screen technologies.

Adding...there have been Kindle books with embedded video since at least 2010. You need a smart phone or tablet to take advantage of the feature.

Here is an example: https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-People-Powerful-ebook/dp/B01069X4H0/ref=lp_2248263011_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1593184616&sr=1-1
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#17  JSWolf 06-26-2020, 12:13 PM
What you propose is not an eBook. It's more of an app.
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#18  najgori 06-26-2020, 01:21 PM
In Reading App Builder you can combine videos with text in "book as app" format.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG8OTmnTazo
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#19  Tex2002ans 06-26-2020, 05:07 PM
Quote pittendrigh
Good point. Yes. Reflowable. I hate PDF. When it's flipbooks I kill the tab and find some other way.
pdurrant is right. PDF is the entire kitchen sink you want. And if you create a Tagged PDF, you can even handle the "reflowable" part of it too.

But no PDF Reader supports many of those "enhancements" besides Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Quote pittendrigh
Video on your phone, inside epub3, is coming at you. I see that locomotive at the end of the tunnel. Coming at us fastly.
lol. That video/audio in ebooks "tidal wave" has been coming for 10+ years, and it's been an enormous failure.

Reality is: Nobody is purchasing it.

See 2016:
Kindle in Motion "was going to revolutionize ebooks".....

Only 28 books trickled out over the years, and then it dropped completely off the radar. Last one ever released was 2018.

Same story again, and again, and again throughout the years:

You could go even further back, to the 1990s:
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#20  pdurrant 06-27-2020, 07:06 AM
I suspect that pittendrigh is right that an audio/visual enabled ebook format will be useful for non-fiction books.

With tablets, perhaps the time has come.

The question is whether there's a big enough market to justify the investment.
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