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New Leaf Nominations for January 2019 • Lost in Translation: Other Tongues
#51  Bookpossum 12-04-2018, 09:23 PM
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I was checking my OverDrive libraries for this and one has it. In Spanish! Surely that would count for a twofer? Not for me, alas. Minor rant: The book cover had the author's name and Kitchen. But when I tried to check it out, I got a warning telling me the book was in Spanish and asking if I still wanted it, which was helpful. But why isn't it called La Cocina?
I can go one better! My library has several Yoshimoto titles - translated into Chinese! (We have a growing population of Chinese immigrants in this part of Melbourne.)
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#52  stuartjmz 12-04-2018, 09:37 PM
Quote Bookpossum
I can go one better! My library has several Yoshimoto titles - translated into Chinese! (We have a growing population of Chinese immigrants in this part of Melbourne.)
Which Chinese? Having many friends who speak Sinitic languages (and they are languages, often not mutually intelligible) other than MSM/Putonghua, from Cantonese to Min to Hakka, I always seek clarification on this point.
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#53  Bookpossum 12-05-2018, 12:04 AM
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Which Chinese? Having many friends who speak Sinitic languages (and they are languages, often not mutually intelligible) other than MSM/Putonghua, from Cantonese to Min to Hakka, I always seek clarification on this point.
Well, the written Chinese characters can be read by both Cantonese and Mandarin speakers, which is why I didn't say the books were in Mandarin! However, I think most of our newer settlers are Mandarin speakers.
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#54  stuartjmz 12-05-2018, 12:09 AM
Quote Bookpossum
Well, the written Chinese characters can be read by both Cantonese and Mandarin speakers, which is why I didn't say the books were in Mandarin! However, I think most of our newer settlers are Mandarin speakers.
English and Fiji Hindi belong to the same language and use the same script, that doesn't mean that someone who reads one can automatically read the other. The same is true of members of the Sinitic language family. Cantonese also has characters not used in MSM. The myth that there is one universal written Chinese is very resilient, sadly
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#55  Bookpossum 12-05-2018, 03:01 AM
That’s interesting to know. I must have misunderstood this in conversation classes in English for migrants learning the language - which could well be the case as of course the students’ English was of course limited.
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#56  Ralph Sir Edward 12-05-2018, 02:41 PM
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#57  issybird 12-05-2018, 06:13 PM
There's about a day-and-a-half left for nominations, whether they be firsts, seconds, or thirds.
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#58  stuartjmz 12-05-2018, 06:25 PM
Quote Bookpossum
That’s interesting to know. I must have misunderstood this in conversation classes in English for migrants learning the language - which could well be the case as of course the students’ English was of course limited.

My apologies if I seemed a little overly tense about this, my reactions may have been coloured by interactions with non-MSM speaking Chinese friends who feel VERY passionately about this, and also by regular reading of Dr Victor Mair's frequent lengthy posts on matters Sinophone on the excellent languagelog site.
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#59  Bookpossum 12-05-2018, 06:54 PM
Thanks stuartjmz - I did feel a bit put down! It occurred to me also that the person who was (I thought) telling me this was of course a Mandarin speaker, and as is often the case with a member of a large majority, she may not even have realised that there were other written languages.
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#60  stuartjmz 12-05-2018, 07:56 PM
Quote Bookpossum
Thanks stuartjmz - I did feel a bit put down! It occurred to me also that the person who was (I thought) telling me this was of course a Mandarin speaker, and as is often the case with a member of a large majority, she may not even have realised that there were other written languages.
That is how the PRC government wants it to be: "One China, One Chinese" They are working hard to crush all languages other than MSM, whether Sinitic languages like Hakka, Cantonese, Min, Wu etc, or others like Uygur
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