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Correct Page Numbers in Kindle?
#1  momoe 03-11-2020, 03:07 AM
Hello everyone,

First post here so excuse my faults.

I've been in the process of converting some of my stories onto my new kindle using Calibre and sometimes LibreWriter.

I have the formatting down fairly well; text size, fonts, margins, however, the kindle's page numbers at the bottom of the device aren't displaying the correct page numbers on each turn. Instead it goes something like this:


As I said, I'm using Calibre's "AZW3" output format using these settings:
Base font size: 16pt
minimum line height 0%
line height: 0.0pt
Page Setup: output Profile: Kindle
Input profile: Kindle
Margins 5.0pt.

I'm guessing that kindle is reflowing the page size from typical letter down to the kindle's screen size. I don't know.

Any information would be a big help.
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#2  Quoth 03-11-2020, 05:16 AM
Short answer: Yes, it's working as intended.

Long Answer:
There are numerous threads on this. Apart from eReaders having 2.4" to 13.8" screens and 6" screens are at various DPI resolutions, the user can change the font face, font size, line spacing and margins. So while there are ways of having simulated page numbers to match printed books, these are really only useful for reference purposes. Kindle uses "location" natively which doesn't depend on screen size or how much text can be displayed per screen.

Some people like page numbers. Adobe (mostly on ePubs) has their own scheme, but % progress is maybe the most useful generally.
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#3  Quoth 03-11-2020, 05:30 AM
BTW, I think 12 pt or 1 em is a normal default body text size. But I could be wrong.
0 may not do what you think it does. Make sure the line spacing setting on the Kindle is working, if not try 115% for spacing. A real zero is ascenders touching descenders and with many fonts about 120% seems correct, but 115% in Calibre means any weird stuff from imported docx is overridden and user can change linespacing on all kindles and all epub based ereaders.

Select Tablet rather than Kindle to avoid resizing images. Otherwise if the images are correct, they may be too small. The Output profile only seems to affect image size.

I set left & right for mobi, dual mobi and AZW to 0. You need to edit the ebook css if you want less than the minimum Kindle margins, which are normal, big or huge.

Edit & save Libre Office Writer as ODT, not DOC or DOCX as using those results in conversion on every open. Do an extra Save As in DOCX for Calibre as the best input formats for conversion are epub2 and docx. Also make an epub2 from docx in Calibre FIRST, then in Calibre convert that epub to azw3 (or Dual Mobi if you don't know if a Kindle does AZW3/KF8). Curiously the conversion Docx -> epub -> azw3 (or dual mobi) works better than docx -> azw3 direct.
Azw/KF8 is really a sort of Amazon wrapper on epub2 to optionally allow Amazon DRM instead of Adobe ADE DRM.
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#4  Doitsu 03-11-2020, 12:36 PM
Quote momoe
I'm guessing that kindle is reflowing the page size from typical letter down to the kindle's screen size. I don't know.
If you're talking about what Amazon refers to as Real Page Numbers, you'll need to define them as NCX or NAV page list entries. (For more information, see 10.3.11 Enabling Real Page Numbers in the Amazon Kindle publishing Guidelines.)
(I use the Calibre KFX Output plugin to generate KFX files with Real Page Numbers.)

BTW, AFAIK, KDP publishers can't publish books with Real Page Numbers.
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#5  Quoth 03-11-2020, 12:46 PM
And if you want to be a Publisher Amazon might listen to, buy S&S. I'm sure you'll get it cheaper than what CBS-Viacom is asking.
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#6  DaleDe 03-11-2020, 01:19 PM
You might want to look at APNX@Wiki » in our wiki, or perhaps page numbers@Wiki » for some background.

Dale
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#7  momoe 03-11-2020, 01:53 PM
Thank you all for responding.

I was kinda aware of this being discussed in other threads, however I was doing my best to match kindle creates template.

@Quoth, yes I'm aware of DPI and screen sizes vary depending on the device, however Kindle should have a more accurate method for re-flowing the text with accurate page sizes.

To correct your font size comment, Kindle seems to use the web font size standard of 16pts, so I do the base font that way from my 12pt LibreWriter fonts. It seems to come out 1:1 with kindle store books.

I have experimented with formatting my LibreWriter page dimensions to see if that affects the Kindle conversion page count, and the Calibre import base fonts but neither seem to have any affect.

I'm wondering if the input profile has anything to do with it. @Doitsu I haven't looked into the NCX file your'e describing there as the Kindle format is a bit of a mystery from my ePub formatting days. So I'll look into those and these other plugins mentioned here and report back soon.
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#8  JSWolf 03-11-2020, 02:51 PM
If you are side loading, you can set a custom column in Calibre and set whatever you want the page number to be and Calibre will generate a page number file based on the eBook and final page number.

Kindles that support page numbers do not do 1 screen equals one page. Page numbers you get from a synced (from Amazon) eBook is based on some pBook version. And the Calibre generated page numbers are based on the eBook if you don't give it a page number to use or the page number ou give it to use.
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#9  JSWolf 03-11-2020, 02:55 PM
Quote momoe
Thank you all for responding.

I was kinda aware of this being discussed in other threads, however I was doing my best to match kindle creates template.

@Quoth, yes I'm aware of DPI and screen sizes vary depending on the device, however Kindle should have a more accurate method for re-flowing the text with accurate page sizes.

To correct your font size comment, Kindle seems to use the web font size standard of 16pts, so I do the base font that way from my 12pt LibreWriter fonts. It seems to come out 1:1 with kindle store books.

I have experimented with formatting my LibreWriter page dimensions to see if that affects the Kindle conversion page count, and the Calibre import base fonts but neither seem to have any affect.

I'm wondering if the input profile has anything to do with it. @Doitsu I haven't looked into the NCX file your'e describing there as the Kindle format is a bit of a mystery from my ePub formatting days. So I'll look into those and these other plugins mentioned here and report back soon.
You don't set the font size on screen based on what some program displays. You set the font size on screen to what's comfortable for you when reading.

Also, trying to get 1 screen = 1 page on a Kindle is a waste of time and effor (IMHO).
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#10  DaleDe 03-11-2020, 05:36 PM
Quote momoe
I have experimented with formatting my LibreWriter page dimensions to see if that affects the Kindle conversion page count, and the Calibre import base fonts but neither seem to have any affect.

I'm wondering if the input profile has anything to do with it. @Doitsu I haven't looked into the NCX file your'e describing there as the Kindle format is a bit of a mystery from my ePub formatting days. So I'll look into those and these other plugins mentioned here and report back soon.
NCX@Wiki » is not a Kindle thing. It is in our wiki and is for ePub but it was mentioned, I believe, assuming you were converting an ePub to Kindle.

Dale
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