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#1  increase 09-12-2020, 12:12 PM
Trying to upload a paperback manuscript to KDP, if the manuscript is 800 pages or less, the manuscript uploads without issue, but my manuscript is over 4500 and I receive internal error.

I emailed KDP and they state that the total number of pages allowed is 8,000 and the max file size is about 600mb.

My page size is under 5,000 and the file size is 3566 kb.

The email only advised checking print options.
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#2  phillipgessert 09-12-2020, 12:53 PM
That’s a tremendous pagecount. I’m not sure you could even page through a book like that without destroying it in the process. You’ll have to split this into multiple volumes.
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#3  increase 09-12-2020, 01:06 PM
Quote phillipgessert
That’s a tremendous pagecount. I’m not sure you could even page through a book like that without destroying it the process. You’ll have to split this into multiple volumes.
I know it is high, but it is a bible with commentary and I see many, many bibles in Amazon and if there limit is 8000 pages it should upload
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#4  phillipgessert 09-12-2020, 04:40 PM
It’s gotta be a typo—800 seems a lot more likely. Their cover generator caps at 630 at the largest trim size. Kinda makes sense, right? A 450 page book would be about an inch thick, 4500 it would be so thick it would be very difficult to read, probably impossible. Bibles usually use very thin paper and many/most are sewn, not perfect bound.
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#5  jhowell 09-12-2020, 05:15 PM
The maximum number of pages allowed depends on the printing options you choose. According to the KDP Print Options page it maxes out at just over 800 pages.
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#6  Hitch 09-12-2020, 07:09 PM
Quote phillipgessert
It’s gotta be a typo—800 seems a lot more likely. Their cover generator caps at 630 at the largest trim size. Kinda makes sense, right? A 450 page book would be about an inch thick, 4500 it would be so thick it would be very difficult to read, probably impossible. Bibles usually use very thin paper and many/most are sewn, not perfect bound.
It's not a typo; It certainly does not say 8,000 pages. He's misunderstood, is all. See here: https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G201834180 where the 828 page limit is CLEARLY set out.

KDP and all POD books are basically bound using the perfect-bound process. Perfect-bound has a physical limitation--the binding spine cannot be much over 2" thick, before the binding simply fails. That's 825 pages, give or take on thinner, 50# white paper and about 800 pages with the slightly thicker 50# cream paper.

828 pages is the absolute, outside page limit at KDP and at most POD companies. 4500 is quite simply not doable with the binding processes available to you via Print on Demand.

NO perfect-bound book in the known universe is a thousand pages and certainly not 4500.

Yes, you see longer books on Amazon--those are printed commercially, using other binding processes and are paid for by the publisher--that's you--and then put up for sale on Amazon. When you use a POD process, the POD company, like Amazon, is taking all the risk, on the book printing, binding, packaging and shipping, before the customer pays and even then, if the customer insists on returning the book, Amazon doesn't get to recoup their shipping costs. (or overhead, either).

Thus, I'm sorry, but you're going to have to break that "book" into 6 smaller portions, OR, you will need to pay a professional to lay it out in signatures, and to design a proper cover for a different binding process, and then pay to have 100+ copies printed. Then you can set up a seller's account, with Amazon and handle the orders, fulfilment, collection, shipping, etc., yourself.

(FYI, I should add that I personally do not know of any binding process that can handle 4500 pages.)

Good luck.

Hitch
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#7  ps67 09-13-2020, 03:49 AM
Just out of curiosity I took the biggest book I have at home and it is 1470 pages for a height of almost 8 centimeters. A 4500-page book would be roughly 23-24 centimeters (9 inches in the American system) .

And I quote:
Quote phillipgessert
... A 450 page book would be about an inch thick, 4500 it would be so thick it would be very difficult to read, probably impossible. ...
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#8  Hitch 09-13-2020, 11:29 AM
Quote ps67
Just out of curiosity I took the biggest book I have at home and it is 1470 pages for a height of almost 8 centimeters. A 4500-page book would be roughly 23-24 centimeters (9 inches in the American system) .

And I quote:
(sigh). And printed on what type of paper? What weight? There are many Bibles, for example, printed on scritta paper. Scritta paper--which is most certainly NOT POD paper--made with cotton or linen fibers, typically and isn't, in a highly technical sense, "paper" because it doesn't have any wood fibers.

Bible paper is typically 25GSM to a high of 40. POD paper, at Amazon, Ingram, etc., is 50-55#. Twice the weight.

When you use paper this light, you have to line-match, as well, to reduce ghosting.

MOREOVER, Bibles and other thicker books that use scritta or other high-premium lightweight paper aren't perfect bound, either. They're typically SEWN, rather than only glued. (FYI, they are typically ALSO glued, to add strength.) They're printed in signatures and then sewn together, which provides significant added strength.

If you have a 1470-page book that's 3.24", you are most surely seeing scritta or "Indian" paper, for one thing; it's been sewn, not glued; it probably has a leather binding, not perfect bound.

With all due respect, this is apples and oranges. The one actually has very little to do with the other. It's a bit like saying that because Zebras are members of the Equus family, all horses can or should or do have stripes.

Hitch
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#9  ps67 09-13-2020, 02:35 PM
OK, I understand, so how thick would be a book like that of 4500 pages?
I imagine that anyway it would be impossible to read.
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#10  Deskisamess 09-13-2020, 03:07 PM
This book has 1,515 pages, and is 2¾" thick, 5½" wide x 8½" tall.

I bought it before the Kindle version was released, and had contemplated cutting the spine into 3-4 smaller sections for reading.

Adding, I have the book in Kindle version, but have not read it yet. One of these days...
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