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#1  frahse 01-06-2020, 08:24 PM
e-ink at CES 2020!

https://www.axios.com/whats-happened-so-far-at-ces-2020-b3d1c548-44e4-4139-ae9d-1b49a075cafa.html


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Lenovo debuted a 5G-equipped laptop powered by a Qualcomm chip that promises 24 hours of battery life. It's due out this spring for around $1,500. Also from Lenovo: a ThinkBook model with an e-ink display on its lid and the ThinkPad X1 Fold, a $2,500 Windows 10 laptop with dual screens.
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#2  tomsem 01-06-2020, 08:57 PM
Quote frahse
e-ink at CES 2020!

https://www.axios.com/whats-happened-so-far-at-ces-2020-b3d1c548-44e4-4139-ae9d-1b49a075cafa.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-e-ink-screen-specs-price

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The ThinkBook Plus was announced here at CES 2020, and it comes with a secondary display meant to foster collaboration. While the main, 13.3-inch FHD display is closed, the E Ink screen can show email and calendar notifications from Microsoft Outlook. You can also use it to take notes with Lenovo’s included stylus. The idea is you’ll only do what you’ll need to on the screen during meetings, rather than being engrossed entirely in your laptop. It will start at $1,199 when it goes on sale in March.
In other words, use of E Ink screen is very restrictive. Where is it not possible to take notes with your laptop open, and more efficiently?

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2020/1/6/21051334/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-folding-pc-tablet-oled-price-specs-features-date-ces-2020

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Last year, Lenovo showed off what it described as the “world’s first foldable PC” — a prototype OLED tablet that could fold up like a book or a tiny laptop. Now, at CES 2020, Lenovo is announcing how it’s going to sell the idea as a commercial product. It’s called the ThinkPad X1 Fold, and it’ll be available this year.
This is dual OLED screen, just to make the thing smaller. Nothing to do with e-ink. I predict it will not ship (just as foldable smartphones aren’t ready yet). Then there’s the question of why anyone would buy it, or why anyone would prefer it to a non-folding (and more trouble free) screen.
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#3  Quoth 01-07-2020, 09:12 AM
Though Lenovo did have a weird tablet with a separate eInk touch screen for input where a keyboard would be on a laptop.

I can't see a big demand, especially if expensive. I got a quite good Lenovo full HD laptop with decent GPU for under €500 a couple of years ago and last week a decent Lenovo 10" Android tablet for under €120 (great for PDFs and quick look at a website, I put a 256G micro SDXC card with 62 G Byte of ancient PDF magazines, textbooks, datasheets and service manuals, all scans). Inc local tax.
A Forma here is about €100 more than the Kobo Libra I got recently and still would be no good for most of those PDFs. On some the colour is important.
The Laptop is 1920 x 1080, my 2002 laptop is 1600 x 1200, superior for PDF, but the tablet is better as it can be used portrait. Far faster and easier to use than the 10" Windows 10 x86 Atom tablet I've now passed on.
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#4  frahse 01-10-2020, 02:18 AM
Quote tomsem
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-e-ink-screen-specs-price


In other words, use of E Ink screen is very restrictive. Where is it not possible to take notes with your laptop open, and more efficiently?

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2020/1/6/21051334/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-folding-pc-tablet-oled-price-specs-features-date-ces-2020



This is dual OLED screen, just to make the thing smaller. Nothing to do with e-ink. I predict it will not ship (just as foldable smartphones aren’t ready yet). Then there’s the question of why anyone would buy it, or why anyone would prefer it to a non-folding (and more trouble free) screen.
True. And true. However progress can be slow and circuitous and remember when Pads with pens were ridiculed by Steve Jobs and others.

I keep my little (about 4 x 3 x 1/2 inch) Electronic Franklin with it's Dictionary and Thesaurus and "Bookman cards insertion slot on my bigger computer desk just to remind me of that.
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#5  Dav_25 01-10-2020, 04:10 PM
After having a great success with the Hisense A5, Hisense announced at the CES 2020 that they will release the frst color Eink phone soon:

https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2020/01/09/hisense-to-release-first-color-e-ink-phone-video/
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#6  JSWolf 01-10-2020, 06:45 PM
Quote Dav_25
After having a great success with the Hisense A5, Hisense announced at the CES 2020 that they will release the frst color Eink phone soon:

https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2020/01/09/hisense-to-release-first-color-e-ink-phone-video/
The phone is going to tank.It looks washed out and the display is slow for a phone.
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#7  tomsem 01-10-2020, 08:06 PM
Maybe they are getting somewhere, but it is hard to tell from the video except that the color is still not great.

This might be good for someone who works outdoors a lot, or surfs (it needs waterproofing for that): you would not have to seek some shade to operate it. But it is a steep tradeoff in display performance for that capability.
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#8  latepaul 01-11-2020, 08:47 AM
I thought the colour was acceptable (as a trade-off) but unless/until the refresh rate is good enough to use a GPS app I wouldn't be interested.

Actually scratch that, the thing the refresh rate needs to be good enough for is typing and I suspect that's a faster refresh that would be ok for maps/Waze.
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#9  JSWolf 01-11-2020, 11:18 AM
Quote latepaul
I thought the colour was acceptable (as a trade-off) but unless/until the refresh rate is good enough to use a GPS app I wouldn't be interested.

Actually scratch that, the thing the refresh rate needs to be good enough for is typing and I suspect that's a faster refresh that would be ok for maps/Waze.
The refresh has to be fast enough for streaming video or forget it.
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#10  pdurrant 01-11-2020, 12:12 PM
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The refresh has to be fast enough for streaming video or forget it.
For you the refresh has to be fast enough for streaming video or forget it.

Many other people might find a colour eInk a useful advance over greyscale eInk.
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